Where would you draw a line with marriage?

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Where would you draw a line with marriage?
Tweet Topic Started: Jul 10 2017, 11:06 PM (1,271 Views)
+ Son-Goku	Jul 10 2017, 11:06 PM Post #1
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	I'm not sure what the exact law is now, but what I do know is that same-sex marriage is now legal nationwide. People say love is love, but is that really the case? Should brothers and sisters be allowed to be married if they truly love each other? Obviously there are other things I've heard people say as well, like can I marry a dog if I really love it? Wasn't going to go for that, but it is a point. Just the main question is should their be a line drawn? Or should people be allowed to be with who they truly want to be and if not is it really fair to them that others were given privileges when they weren't?
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+ Steve	Jul 11 2017, 12:25 AM Post #2
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Marrying animals I quite frankly find ridiculous because there's just no way the animal can grasp what's going on and thus it's a purely selfish endeavour. Versus just having sex with them, which they can actually opt to choose depending on the animal. Marrying inanimate objects is also silly. I don't see the point, just seems like an attachment issue that needs resolved not "love" in a marriage sense. As for relatives...it depends I guess. As far as I'm concerned they can do whatever they want except have children, unless through surrogacy or adoption. What two people do when they're alone is their business but once children are brought in to it is when it bothers me, in this case the high risk of deformity just because two people couldn't resist. Completely unfair on the kid. And even if they turn out fine if anyone found out they'd be bullied endlessly. Perhaps people would be more understanding with adopted children, being related wouldn't make them bad parents by any means. I'd always find it a bit weird but if there was a law that brothers, sisters, mothers etc etc weren't allowed to have their own biological children then so be it, do whatever. Our lives are short enough and sometimes you just can't find someone else.
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EMIYA	Jul 11 2017, 12:40 AM Post #3
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	It's more of a matter of consent and effect I'd say. The idea of marriage, at least on a Western front is the idea that it is consensual, that is, both parties agree with it. This is why when people bring up "Animal Marriages" it just sounds lunatic because a dog or a cat cannot give proper consent. It's a ludicrous argument people against same sex marriage, among other things, try to utilize. Acting as if make this one change, people will want to make changes for everything. And that's simply not how it works. Consent is everything. And so on the question of "Brother and Sister" and so I'll ask, why shouldn't they? Let's assume that they both consent, what's preventing them from getting married rationally? Some might say, sexual relationships between them can cause issues for potential children. The problem there is, that's a problem with "sexual relations" not "Marriage relations" Imagine if someone had an STD, and could easily pass it on to their children if they had sexual relations with someone. I guess this means they shouldn't get married right? It's the same concept of a brother and sister having potential children. You can see the conundrum and often hypocrisy on this. Someone with an STD still has every right to get married. Heck, I don't think there's a rule they can't have sex as long as they express their issue with their respective partner. Same way that a woman who has had sex with a known STD carrier can still have a pregnancy. In the end, they must accept the consequences. So I ask, what makes this different than if a brother or sister got married had sex and passed on a genetic issue to their child?



Rockman	Jul 11 2017, 01:18 AM Post #4
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	I guess the difference being, Same-Sex couples can't have children naturally at all, but siblings are capable of mucking up society with genetic trash. Then you go down the slippery slope of who has to pay to take care of that kid? While Same-Sex couples are adopting and fixing the issue of unwanted children. Never forget: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_II_of_Spain Quote: The physician who performed his autopsy stated that his body "did not contain a single drop of blood; his heart was the size of a peppercorn; his lungs corroded; his intestines rotten and gangrenous; he had a single testicle, black as coal, and his head was full of water."[12] American historians Will and Ariel Durant described Charles II as "short, lame, epileptic, senile, and completely bald before 35, he was always on the verge of death, but repeatedly baffled Christendom by continuing to live."
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+ Son-Goku	Jul 11 2017, 02:20 AM Post #5
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Based on the answers then would you guys say it's all right as long as there is consent from both people? My bad if that's exactly what you're saying, just to clarify. If it is an incest relationship/marriage, should there be laws saying that they are not allowed to have children or should they just highly advise to them the consequences? Edited by Son-Goku, Jul 11 2017, 02:21 AM.
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EMIYA	Jul 11 2017, 06:32 AM Post #6
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	They should just be advised of the consequences. Denying the right to have children hits far too close to denying the rights as a human being. It's like I said in the previous post, where would you even stop? Would you prevent anyone with any kind of passable disease not to have children? Also, if two people want to have sex, there's not much that's going to stop them. If say a brother or sister want to get married or even have kids, personally I couldn't care less. It's a personal choice in terms of marriage, only effects them (and I assume it was consensual to begin with) and if they want kids, that's their choice and they go with the consequences of it. The same as any other person.



+ Ginyu	Jul 11 2017, 07:31 AM Post #7
Leve Feyenoord 1! Posts: 4,490 Group: Elite Member Member #9,685 Joined: June 30, 2013 Gender Female Country Netherlands Favourite Anime NJPW What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Reading is for nerds, yo!	Consenting Adults. There's your line.
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Sam	Jul 11 2017, 11:08 AM Post #8
It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash. Posts: 24,391 Group: Community Admin Member #415 Joined: April 21, 2005 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z/Super, Hellsing Ultimate, Naruto/Shippuden, Death Note, Hunter x Hunter, FMA:B What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball/Z/Super, Naruto/Shippuden, One Piece, Hellsing, Death Note	As long as it's two consenting human beings, not sure I see much legal or personal trouble with letting people do what they want with their bodies. :shrug: Never understood the fuss about worrying what someone else is going to do w/ their lives.
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Jul 11 2017, 01:28 PM Post #9
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Is a dog a human being capable of giving verbal consent? The answer is an obvious no, so the question is ridiculous. (Not saying you're ridiculous; you're just reciting a question that countless idiots have asked, so it's fair of you to ask.) The line where it's currently drawn is fine. Two non-related consenting adults should be able to be married no matter the circumstances. Marriage implies children, and incest has proven--in some cases--to produce abnormal offspring. I guess this all boils down to how you think the government should handle the potential for these offspring. Do you think it's any of their business, or should it be? That being said, I wouldn't go out of my way to stop any consenting adults from being in love. It's none of my business. But when offspring are added to the equation, the question becomes a whole lot trickier. Why would a brother and sister even feel the need to get married? Legal benefits, I suppose, but don't they already get some of that just by being related? It's a complicated question, and an issue I'm not particularly well-versed in.



* Mitas	Jul 11 2017, 03:51 PM Post #10
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	I think it's disrespectful to have the line of thinking 'men with men and women with women! what's next, humans with animals?'. Same-sex marriage isn't comparable to humans mating with animals. And that's the line, really, like many have said: consenting adults. Blood relatives is a murky area. Even if you put aside how it's viewed in society, the union is proven to have a high chance of deformed children. I don't think we should stop blood relatives marrying, but they should definitely be stopped having children where possible.
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Political Piper	Jul 11 2017, 08:09 PM Post #11
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	I believe everyone should be able to get married, but I don't believe churches/synagogues/etc should be forced to conduct the marriage if it is against their faith. So if a gay couple wants to get married, I don't think a Catholic Church should be forced to hold the ceremony for them. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with incestual marriage or, well.. beastiality.. But in a free society you should be able to experience your own personal freedom, just not at the expense of somebody else's freedom.
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+ Steve	Jul 11 2017, 08:13 PM Post #12
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	EMIYA Jul 11 2017, 06:32 AM They should just be advised of the consequences. Denying the right to have children hits far too close to denying the rights as a human being. It's like I said in the previous post, where would you even stop? Would you prevent anyone with any kind of passable disease not to have children? Also, if two people want to have sex, there's not much that's going to stop them. I see no reason why we should value the human rights of people who would selfishly take a risk like that over the potentially very ill child they could have. Diseases at least can be cured or treated, especially as time goes on and medical science advances. Unless we start altering genes then parents who are biologically related will have that risk always. They should be obligated to adopt or surrogate, preferably adopt since so many kids go without homes. If they can't still be happy together without having 100% their own biological children then that's completely selfish, children are hardly a requirement for happiness in a good relationship.
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EMIYA	Jul 11 2017, 09:03 PM Post #13
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Why should they be obligated? Because they have a higher chance of passing a genetic disorder? What if I have the genetic components for Down Syndrome and my partner has the same. We aren't related but if we have children, they will have higher chance of contacting the genetic disorder. By your logic, we should not be allowed to have children. Genetic Disorders don't end at incestuous relationships and there are no laws in the west that say those with genetic disorders can't have children. I'm sorry to sound blunt but honestly, if a child is born with a genetic issue, tough s***. It happens all the time. Parents with known genetic issues still get together and have children. Why should this be any different here? That's a choice they make and a choice they rightfully have. The most you can do is educate them and let them make the choice and accept the consequences of their actions.



* Mitas	Jul 12 2017, 11:49 AM Post #14
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	This opens up an entirely separate question that probably deserves it's own topic.
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+ Steve	Jul 12 2017, 09:35 PM Post #15
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	But things like Downs Syndrome and effects from inbreeding are very different, so that's not really the same thing. Inbreeding messes up the gene pool way more, look how many people in the likes of India are born with extra limbs and such. Downs Syndrome does nothing like that. And in general if someone has something really bad with a high chance of being passed on they should take it upon themselves to just adopt in my opinion, instead of potentially subjecting a child to it just because they wanted to have one.
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